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Hey guys. I don’t think this post will interest too many frequent readers, but I’m sharing it because I’m ranked very highly in search engines and I’d like to warn future prospective clients of Florida Auto Brokers so that they don’t get scammed.

On July 7 of 2008 I saw an online auction by Florida Auto Brokers for a 1996 Rialta Motorhome. I was looking for an RV to bring back to Austin, so I sent them an e-mail. Nick Schmidt, the salesman, replied.

We e-mailed back and forth. I specifically asked about a number of items, including the fridge and generator. He assured me that the fridge worked on all three modes (AC/DC/Propane), and that the generator only had 84 hours on it. The eBay listing said that the whole RV was in great shape and had been inspected with a “fine toothed comb”.

I offered $18,500 and he agreed to end the auction early and sell it to me for that price.

Because of eBay rules, he couldn’t actually end the auction, but instead he had a friend bid on it for him. This revealed that the final price, if I hadn’t agreed to buy it, would have been only $17,500.

I, of course, still stuck to my offer and immediately wired the rest of the money to him.

Three weeks later I arrived in Florida to pick up the RV. It seemed to be in good shape, although not quite as good as advertised. Still, you have to expect that when you buy online.

One thing that alarmed me was that the holding tanks were full. Someone else’s sewage was still in the RV. That’s pretty disgusting and also makes it very obvious that the RV was not inspected as closely as they indicated.

Another problem was that the fridge didn’t work on two of the three modes. This was shocking because I had specifically asked whether or not it worked on all three modes. Nick told me that it did without even checking.

Although Nick wasn’t there when I picked it up, and neither was the owner, Craig Cinque, the guy who was there was really friendly and helpful. He seemed honest and told me that they would take care of the fridge. He called ahead to a local RV repair place, but I didn’t have time to stop there, so he wrote on the Bill of Sale that they would pay for the repairs.

I signed the papers and drove away.

A few miles later I stopped to get some groceries. To keep the RV cool I turned on the generator and the air conditioner. When I got back fifteen minutes later the generator had quit and there was a puddle of oil below it. I immediately wrote an e-mail to Nick to register the problem. It was obvious that the generator was broken and that the brief on/off test we’d done at the dealership wasn’t sufficient.

As I left town I went to a dump site to dump out the disgusting other-person-sewage and fill up the water tank. I lined the hose up with the sewer pipe and pulled the valve. Nothing happened. The valve was broken.

There were a few other issues I discovered, too. The outdoor shower was covered in mold and didn’t work, and the power mirrors didn’t work.

They had obviously lied about checking the RV over in any serious capacity.

I wrote Nick an outraged e-mail within 10 miles of the dealership, listed the issues, and demanded that they pay for the repairs and give me a refund of $1500 for grossly misrepresenting the RV. I had bought it because I was assured it was in great condition and ready to use, and it wasn’t.

Here’s an excerpt from one of his e-mails back:

The generator worked perfect when you were here, but I understand that it stopped working right away, so I offered to fix that also. I don’t understand why you think that I am responsible for every little flaw with the RV and to give you money back because you feel like it should have been cheaper.    I am still willing to stand behind the things that are wrong with it, but I am not giving you a reduction in the price. I am not trying to be a jerk either, I am just trying to take care of this right way.

So he agrees to fix the generator, holding tank valves, and the fridge, but refuses to refund any of my money. I think that a partial refund would be the right thing to do, but also understand that there’s probably not a legal responsibility beyond the repairs.

I get back to Austin and am left with an unusable RV. I can’t use the shower, sink, toilet, or generator (which was needed for the AC).

I get the generator and fridge fixed, at a total cost of around $800, and I fax in the receipts for reimbursement.

No one replies. After a week I call, and am promised that someone will take care of it. No one does. After a month or two of talking to Nick every couple days he says that I need to talk to the owner of Florida Auto Brokers, Craig Cinque.

Craig is immediately hostile. He says that he’ll pay for the fridge because it’s written on the slip, but refuses to pay for the generator despite Nick’s promise to do so. In his words,

“The whole thing can blow up the minute you drive off my lot and it’s not my problem. Understand?”

Two months later, after near daily phone calls, he stops answering at all. I call five days in a row, several times a day, and he never answers or returns my calls.

I file a report with the BBB in Gainesville Florida, and he answers my phone call the next day as if we’re best friends. He says that he’s going to pay for the repairs, but that he needs to get the money from the person he bought the RV from in the first place, and that they’ve agreed to pay for it.

For a month every time I call he says to call back in two days and he’ll have the money. He finally pays $250, just the cost of the refrigerator. He declares that,

“There is NO way I’m going into my own pocket for that generator. It would be like taking my own money and throwing it into the street.”

He complains that the price was too high for the repair, but refuses to talk to the repairman who fixed it. In fact, the repairman called them before repairing it to make sure they knew how expensive the repair was going to be. Nick said he’d call him back in fifteen minutes but never did.

Now I’m out for the repairs on the generator and faced with time consuming task of making sure to publicize this in every outlet possible. I informed Craig that I’d be doing this, and he said that he doesn’t care because he’s selling the business in three months. I hope the potential buyers read this and understand who they’re buying from.

Don’t Buy From Florida Auto Brokers

Florida Auto Brokers are scam artists and can’t be trusted. This post is the first of many steps I will take to make sure that potential customers are aware of the dangers of doing business with Craig Cinque and Florida Auto Brokers in Gainesville.


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There are 26 Comments.


bigthom777
Mar 19th, 2009 @ 12:17 pm

Tynan, go after them. I hate liars and thieving bastards. I will never buy from them as well and I will tell my uncle in Florida to never buy from them.


Johnny
Mar 19th, 2009 @ 12:38 pm

Dude, I’m never buying from Florida Auto Brokers!
lol
Is this some kind of joke? Like anyone on here would stand a chance of buying an RV from some obscure company in the middle of nowhere?
Listen dude, you need to fight this on principle, but you also need to get some brains. Unfortunately you learned the hard way—NEVER buy vehicles, land, or other high value items sight-unseen. EVER! I mean come one…you just flat out trusted a used car salesman. I bet you’ve been swindled more than a few times in your travels and were probably totally unaware.


OBY
Mar 19th, 2009 @ 12:58 pm

I hadn’t planned on buying from them and won’t ever now!

Heck no, we wont go!


Funk Demon
Mar 19th, 2009 @ 1:32 pm

There is legal recourse against people who falsely advertise, breach contracts (even oral contracts), and otherwise cheat people. Going after the guy personally will make you learn a lot of important, useful things about the legal system, and may result in you being reimbursed for your costs and inconvenience and the owner being punished for being a horrible person.

Here’s a good place to start if you want to consider whether or not you have a case:

Contract Law:
http://www.expertlaw.com/library/business/contract_law.html

Fraud:
http://www.expertlaw.com/library/business/fraud.html

Even if you don’t want to take legal action this time, learning the terms in these two articles would be extremely valuable to you.


elai
Mar 19th, 2009 @ 1:40 pm

Why didn’t you inspect the vehicle thoroughly yourself. And why didn’t you post about this earlier??


Nev
Mar 19th, 2009 @ 4:11 pm

I’ve done this before on my own blog, and it actually works great!

Once you get indexed in the top results for (whatever biz name), you start getting calls from the owner pretty quick :-)

So long as everything is your “own experience” and “own opinion” it’s not libel.

MY SUGGESTIONS:
-Put all the email addresses you’ve corresponded with in your post also.

-Post the phone numbers in several different styles:
EX: 555-555-5555, 5555555555, 555.555.5555

I’ll even help you out:
Nick Schmidt of Florida Auto Brokers phone number: 352-538-0010 (available on website)

-Post address of business:
Florida Auto Brokers
3202 N Main St.
Gainesville, FL 32609

-Find pictures of the salesman or place of business, post the picture and properly name the title tag.

-Zabasearch their names, get their personal addresses and post that also.

It usually works well. Also, unless they did something totally illegal I’d suggest taking down the post when a fair compromise is reached.

If they properly compensate you or get the RV back into the shape they advertised, remove the post. If they don’t, leave it up forever and bask in the quiet joy that it will continue to lose them a sizable amount of sales over time. Considering each sale is upwards of $10,000 for them, that’s quite an impact. Just imagine if someone wants to buy from them, Google’s their name and finds this post. SALE LOST!

Mar 19th, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

I hate to say this, but legally I think the dealer is right. If it’s an “as is” transaction, the seller is not responsible for any defect that is not put into the contract when it is signed, unless you can prove that the seller must have known about it and didn’t disclose it. The first guy shouldn’t have promised you to repair the generator, I guess that’s where things started to go wrong.

Mar 19th, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

Hopefully this post gets on the 1st page of Google! (will probably take a few weeks)

You may already be pursuing this but I’ve had success with small claims court. It works:

http://www.startbreakingfree.com/348/brian-goes-to-court-brings-home-the-bacon/

I’m also working on a project right now to out these type of folks more publicly on the internet.


Dustin
Mar 19th, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

Send a email to each of the local news station(s) referencing your article below, back your story up with your publishings across your multiple website. The power of the internet is great, the power of the media impacts even greater. Think about the local news stories you see in Austin telling buyers to beware.


Chris
Mar 20th, 2009 @ 5:06 am

lets fcuk this company up.

What email address have you got for them?


DaveT
Mar 20th, 2009 @ 5:12 am

I love this type of post. These guys sound like bad news all around. I will keep it in mind, and several of my friends are RV owners in the Southern US and will be very interested to know this info.


Ian
Mar 20th, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

You should have done your due diligence.

Oh, and please review the section at the top of this page titled “This site is about”.

-Ian


DJDoug
Mar 21st, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

Nev has good advice on how to polish things up.

That said, I have three words for you:

Small. Claims. Court.

The advantage is with the plaintiff in situations like this, as the hassle it causes the dealer will make him far more willing to settle quickly.


Ben
Mar 24th, 2009 @ 12:13 am

@Lars, the main point isn’t about the legal situation. Absolutely, Tynan has a few things to learn (if he hasn’t already) about this situation.

The point is that this company misrepresented their product to their customer and are failing to take responsibility for the misrepresentation. The repercussion is a blog post like this, where the intent is to warn future customers that this company shouldn’t be taken for their word.


DaveT
Mar 25th, 2009 @ 11:22 am

You have made Google Page 1 status for the search “Florida Auto Brokers.” Thought you would be pleased to know that!

Mar 25th, 2009 @ 11:48 am

@DaveT, Awesome! I hadn’t noticed yet.

Tynan


OBY
Mar 25th, 2009 @ 3:53 pm

When I click on the front page link on google, it is a bunch of gibberish.


mattz
Mar 26th, 2009 @ 12:08 am

@OBY, that seems to be a magical quality of Tynans blog. I’ve had it happen before, too. Usually a refresh will fix it or just try back in a few minutes.


David
Apr 5th, 2009 @ 2:34 am

Sue them. Small claims court will wake them up.


Chuck F
Apr 19th, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

Purchased a ML350 from them about a month ago. Owner, Nick, met me there on Sunday to accomodate my schedule. No high pressure, no go betweens a salesperson, appraiser, sales manager BS etc. Price was about $2000 less than Orlando MB dealer, only $150 dealer feee compared to $798 Orlando MB dealer. A couple of issues upon delivery that where promptly fixed. I think they are very fair to deal with. Know prices, buy a car with an existing warranty and put everything in writing. I will buy again from them.


arebelspy
Apr 21st, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

this is now the 3rd hit for “florida auto brokers”

hope they eventually do the right thing.

also, anyone else thinking “chuck f” = a salesman there? like some guy who bought from them randomly googled their name a month later, found this post, then decided to detail his dealings with them in a blog comment?

i doubt it.

hopefully this will hit the #1 hit for florida auto brokers. if i googled their name and saw something like this, why would I buy a 15K RV from them and not a competitor? i wouldn’t. hope this loses them a few sales til they do the right thing.

May 2nd, 2009 @ 6:59 am

Hi Tynan,

I mentioned earlier that I was working on a project to out folks like this. It’s a site where people can review anything (a bit like wikipedia in that anyone can edit it).

I made a page for Florida Auto Brokers:
http://buyersvote.com/pages/florida-auto-broker-reviews

Was hoping you might want to post your review as well, hopefully it will start coming up in search engines along with your post. Let me know if you have any feedback on the site as well, thanks!

Brian


Florida Girl
Jun 1st, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

I just bought an Acura RDX from these SCUMBAGS – Nick Schmidt & Craig Cinque. They promised me the car had never had any damage, I took it to the Acura Dealer and they assured me it had in fact been in an accident!!!! They are so slimy!!!! DO NOT waste your money with these DIRTBAGS! They should re-name their dealership “Billy Bob’s Used Cars” total hicks!!!!


Ramakrishna
Jun 26th, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

Florida Girl, I wish you checked BOTH AutoCheck and CarFax. AutoCheck is very good in accident reports which is investigated by CBS http://www.cbsatlanta.com/investigates/19086976/detail.html. I bought a Mercedes E350 from them back in Nov 2008. Overall I was happy but they did not reveal Service Message and some minor scratches, which costed me $500, I got a good deal so I did not mind $500. Samething at my local dealership might have costed me atleast $5000 more.


Gville Mom
Jun 29th, 2009 @ 1:51 pm

Hi everyone,
My husband & I just bought a Mercedes from FL. Auto Brokers, Nick actually. I wish I had read all this before. Nick said he sent the car to Duval Motors to get a clean bill of health which the car was given. Twenty days later we have to pay $500 to get the brake pads fixed because apparently they were not checked. When we called Fl. Auto, they said “we will see what we can do”. Its not even a month since we got the car and already $500 down the drain.


Beth
Aug 3rd, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

I bought a Lexus RX from them. The car was immaculate and the service was excellent. They gave me a very good price and a fair price on my trade in. I referred someone else to them who was very satisfied.

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