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I’m not in the game anymore, and haven’t really been in it for a while. If I’m in a nightclub it’s because I’m singing karaoke, and as soon as the line gets too long, I’m gone. I’ve been in relationships ten times as much as I’ve been single since leaving LA, which means that the only real "sets" I do are the once or twice yearly opens to blow someone’s mind.

The standard question I get from any girl I talk to is, "are you doing it to me?"

The answer is, "yeah, probably."

It would be like me playing a pro at golf. Even if he’s just there to have fun, he’s going to be playing a good game. Is he using all of his golf knowledge? Of course he is– he can’t help it. He doesn’t know how to play poorly anymore.

As someone who has only played one round of golf in his life, I look out at the course and I see a nice park with some holes and flags in it. A golfer sees possibilities. The right edge of the fairway bordering a sand trap near the green means something to him. To me it means nothing.

When I talk to a girl, I know how interested she is and what she’s thinking about. I know how different things I could say would affect her. I know her subconscious motivations for saying everything she says.

Her facial expressions, body language, tonality, phrasing, and a hundred other cues mean something to me. To someone else they’d mean as little as a golf course means to me.

(Ironically, most girls have this awareness as well. Studies have shown that women engage in four times as much conversation throughout their lives than men do, which gives them this ability.)

Even if I have no intention, I can’t help but see what’s going on. I don’t plot and strategize with my responses in conversation, but my natural instinct has been trained to act in an attractive manner. In the same way a pretty girl attracts guys without trying, I attract girls without trying.

For me that was the whole point of pickup to begin with. I wasn’t in clubs because I loved them or because I wanted to become a super player. I was there because I wanted the unconscious competence. So I put in the time and effort and dealt with the pain to get there.

That, by the way, is the path I’d recommend for people interested in learning pickup. Go full tilt and dedicate all of your time to it, since that’s the only way you’ll get legitimately good, and then quit and move on with your life. The important parts will stay with you.


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There are 20 Comments.


Kristallnachte
May 12th, 2009 @ 11:07 am

sounds nice.

Its funny how girls think pick-up in itself is some kind of wierd thing, when its really the same as gaming without the specific skills.

all social interaction is manipulation…some people just don’t get that.


Brian
May 12th, 2009 @ 2:19 pm

So, in order to get good with girls you recommend going out to nightclubs even if you never been to one before?

Versus day game, when the quality of girls that I want are no where to be seen in clubs? Or to go along with your golf analogy. A pick up artist in a club is like a golfer at a driving range? A book store to a pick up artist is like a world class golf course to a pro golfer?


Tynan
May 12th, 2009 @ 2:53 pm

@Brian

Yes, I’d never been before. The driving range analogy sounds right… you get a lot of practice and a lot of experience.

Tynan


bill baugh
May 12th, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

How elegant it must be, to be you. Shallow, but elegant.


Baboo
May 13th, 2009 @ 8:18 am

Brian, I don’t really think Tynan’s message is about analogies or about nightclubs in particular.
What I got from that part of his article is that YOU NEED TO IMMERSE YOURSELF IN SOMETHING IF YOU WANT TO BECOME AN EXPERT IN IT. Duh. If you want to get good at daygame, then do a lot of daygame. Nightclubs are a great way to practice because many of them are loaded with hot women primed for flirtatious social interaction…it’s normal life on crack and steroids. Don’t worry about the venue. Worry about immersing yourself in learning the trade if you want to master it.


Funk Demon
May 14th, 2009 @ 12:16 pm

I don’t understand what “leaving pickup” means. Does it mean that you won’t try to pick up girls anymore? I doubt it; when you’re single, you won’t stop meeting girls, using what you learned from pickup. Does it mean that you’ll stop selling your pickup product? Maybe, but I doubt it; you worked hard on it and its a source of income. Does it mean that you’ll stop trying to improve in this area? This is the most likely meaning, but I doubt that too; you couldn’t stop learning if you tried.


Drew
May 15th, 2009 @ 9:49 am

He means leaving it as a lifestyle. Pickup is more than just learning to talk to women to a lot of the guys that come involved in it. There is a huge community and commitment (obsession) that are usually involved. Not going out with the intention to “sarge” but instead just living his life and using his skills only when the opportunity arises in his “normal” life.

May 15th, 2009 @ 11:52 am

Congrats on moving on. While some people get stuck in this stuff, it seems like you have completed a part of your life that you were seeking to gain control of and now moving on to take on the next phase of your life.

Also enjoy your travel stuff at http://www.lifenomadic.com, awesome how your living and experiencing life.


kurtist
May 17th, 2009 @ 3:59 am

I totally agree, no need to beat a dead horse. thanks for sharing!


nonayobiz
May 17th, 2009 @ 6:39 am

You are changing, growing up, becoming a man now.

No more trying to be better than your boyfriend even. You are dong what you like and what you think is important and I think everyone likes this about you. Even the name of your site has changed to reflect this change in attitude

You are not trying to impress, or get girls or show off. You are trying to do what makes YOU happy.

I get it and I think its a change from the past and for the better.

I will say though that “äre you doing it to me?” line was corny beyond belief hahahah

very corny

ok
tc, am reading this site like everyone else to see that life can be lived outside the box


Funk Demon
May 17th, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

Thanks Drew, leaving the community makes a lot more sense. And Ty, I wouldn’t be surprised if the community is reluctant to let you go. It says a lot that a person can come in, develop the skill set, and leave having actually learned and mastered everything he wanted to know. Congratulations.


feather
May 19th, 2009 @ 11:26 am

radical honesty: this is one of the most wildly arrogant pieces of writing in the history of the PU community and that’s really saying something.

in outliers, malcolm gladwell writes its a scientific fact you need at least 10,000 hours to obtain MASTERY in any activity. there is no way any of you guys except possibly mystery have hit the 10k hour mark talking to girls. yet you all claim complete and total social mastery with women. its laughable.


Tynan
May 19th, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

Yeah, it really is a bit arrogant and pointless. I had a better idea of what I wanted the post to be when it started out, and the end product doesn’t sit well with me either.

I’ve been tempted to delete it for a few days, but think it’s a dishonest thing to do.

Tynan


J
May 19th, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

Congratulations on re-entering the human race. Whites have exploited every resources on the planet due to their greedy and evil nature. The pick-up artist is just an organized effort to exploit the most valuable resource of all. It is a mass raping of women in general and is demonic in nature. Your next logical progression towards becoming a human being again will be to acknowledge how you have contributed to the destruction of society and repent.

A man’s job is to nurture and care for a woman to build her up, not exploit damaged and vulnerable women and cut them down with cheap mind games for sex. You write with the attitude of someone who is wise and experienced, but you know very little. I see a scared little man with no knowledge of self, who is convinced he has it all figured out. White people have a long way to go if they ever want to achieve salvation.


Tynan
May 19th, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

Wow, J.

Tynan


feather
May 19th, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

Wow, J.

More radical honesty: Sometimes your blog is preachy and you sound like you know it all. Your proclamations about becoming an internet poker pro and quick dismissal of any warnings being a prime example. From the Barry Kirkey show it sounds as if the Project Hollywood glory days were greatly embellished and it was mainly a huge cockfarm.

HOWEVER, your ebook was FANTASTIC. There is a lot of PU material out there, A LOT of great info, A LOT of crap. If someone came to me and asked for dating help I’d say read Tynans book and NOTHING ELSE. Not that there is nothing else good out there, but having too much info is as bad as having too little. If Ty’s book doesn’t help you nothing will.


tetra
May 19th, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

@feather

I agree that claiming to have mastered something is quite likely arrogant. I don’t know how good Tynan is, but I think his point is that he has made pickup a habit, and doesn’t need constant practice to be good (frankly I suspect that practice is necessary to keep a high level of skill, but maybe he doesn’t need a high level of skill for what he does, or gets enough practice in daily life). But I am going to use your example to have a quick rant on using malcolm gladwell as a source. Please don’t take personal offense, but this has been annoying me for sometime. Malcolm Gladwell writes compelling books that take something that seems unlikely a first glance, but is common sense on the second, and “proves” it through entertaining anecdotes. He is not scientific. So please don’t use his rules of thumb as some sort of proof. The 10000 hours is the perfect example of abuse. Professions and skills are so diverse, and of such different complexities, that giving a set time to master them is ridiculous. Even Gladwell didn’t intend the 10000 hour rule to be more than a general estimate. Now people act like that is some sort of hard and fast level you have to achieve to be an “expert” (however that is quantified). All he really did in outliers was give a lot of examples of how some people got lucky, and took advantage of it by practicing a lot. Wow: practice makes perfect. Luck is important. Great insight there. Okay bile spewing over. Just please don’t act like Gladwell has proven something or done anything other than bring attention to some interesting if obvious phenomena.


not
May 28th, 2009 @ 9:33 am

sorry dork but i dont see picking up any girls but left overs. get real.

Jun 5th, 2009 @ 9:59 am

I get it and I think you’re doing the right thing. The “pickup artist” label can be a burden, specially if you’re in a relationship. For me it’s only natural to relax and keep only the useful stuff about something once you’ve mastered it.

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