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A couple weeks ago I did an “I Am A” on Reddit about being a former pickup artist, which meant that thousands of people could ask me questions about it. And they did. The questions flooded in faster than I could reasonably respond to them, which meant that sometimes I didn’t answer in as much detail as I should have.

In a hurry to finish a question I wrote “There’s more to life than picking up girls, of course, but I’d say that social skills are probably THE most important thing in life.”

It struck me as an obvious statement, one that wouldn’t need justification even if I had the time to provide it. Some people agreed, but a couple violently disagreed with me.

What? What’s more important than social skills?

I guess if you find yourself being attacked by a ninja, you might have a good case that for you self defense would be more important, but for the rest of us I don’t think anything trumps social skills.

Someone emailed me recently, asking for advice on whether or not to go to school. It’s no secret that I’m a proud dropout, and a lot of times I get the idea that people email me about this stuff because they’ve already made up their minds and want to have their instincts confirmed by SOMEONE, since almost no one will tell you to drop out.

I learned a little bit of Chinese in college, a tiny bit of Japanese, and I took a good SCUBA diving class. I took a psychology class which hasn’t left too many memories, but I’m sure I got a few good things out of it. Mostly, though, I learned how to socialize. I made friends, many of whom I still have today, and created memories with them. I made mistakes, too, and started to fill in the mostly-blank map of social dynamics in my head.

I replied and told him I’d consider going to school, not for the classes or the degree, but for the people. Stay, socialize, and then drop out when you’re ready.

At the risk of sounding like the hippie I’m often accused of being, it’s the shared experiences we have which define life’s highest peaks. I’m a huge nerd, so I get a great amount of enjoyment from my computer. Working alone on a tough problem (like trying to make my phone system even more insane) is fun and rewarding. Writing gives me a hearty sense of satisfaction sometimes. Playing Monkey Island is fun.

But there’s no substitute for an adventure with a friend, the unconditional love of your family, or the delicate dance of flirting with a girl. I forget that sometimes when I’m huddled away behind my screen.

That’s why I stick up for pickup. I don’t do it for the shady marketers who promise to teach you how to become a player. I don’t do it because I think it’s a completely pure and wholesome practice that has no dark side. I don’t do it because I like arguing with idiots.

I do it because to me it represents prioritizing social skills, and I don’t know anything more important than that.


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There are 17 Comments.

Nov 16th, 2009 @ 3:51 am

DAT’S DA TROOF!


Dandy
Nov 16th, 2009 @ 6:28 am

Hey Ty, thanks a million for doing the AMA, you’ve opened my mind to a wealth of information I never knew existed. Loved your book, too. I sense much adventure ahead!


Eric
Nov 16th, 2009 @ 9:16 am

This. This is where I’m going to direct people the next time I tell them about pickup and that I recently started studying it and they say “That sounds shady.”

The other way I tell people that pickup isn’t shady is by having them read parts of your book – definitely the best explanation of the benefits of pickup that I’ve seen.


Eddie
Nov 16th, 2009 @ 9:22 am

I love this post. Really inspiring to hone your social skills, even if not through pickup. It can be so easy to stay in and Stumble around the internet, but when I look back on the best times i’ve had this year, its with a group of people, because you can all share that vibe, and because you can look back on that great night together.

On a seperate note, will you please take down that banner that comes up whenever I use your site that asks me to subscribe? Firstly, I’m already a subscriber through email. Secondly, I subscribed back when you were BTYB, and I didn’t need some banner to tell me to. Finally, people will subscribe based on the quality of your posts, not an annoying banner that does nothing but dissuade me from using your website. It even makes me want to unsubscribe sometimes.

My 17 cents.

Nov 16th, 2009 @ 12:39 pm

Connecting with others is a vital life skill as well as professional one. I enjoyed the post, it serves as a reminder to put friends, family and relationships first.

Nov 16th, 2009 @ 12:48 pm

Agree wholeheartedly. You forgot to mention the Grant Study.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200906/happiness

Nov 16th, 2009 @ 3:50 pm

Uh, I think I agree. Social Skills ARE the most important thing in the world. They lead you on such a beautiful path. You are forced to interact and see things from others perspective. You become confident and humble at the same time.

This post sparked something for me. Made my think. Thanks man.


Chen
Nov 16th, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

This pretty much hits it right in the head on why learning pick up is awesome. A lot of people forget why we’re here. It’s to enjoy each other.

When you leave college, you’re not going to remember what you got on your chem exam. You’re going to remember the memories you shared with your friends. Socializing is probably the only reason I’m in college.

I couldn’t agree more with your post, Tynan.

Nov 16th, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

Right on Tynan. Loved this post. Over the past year, I found the same to be true.


Brian
Nov 17th, 2009 @ 2:16 am

This is a bit sweeping, right? The skills you learn principally in pickup are the early representation stuff – as you’ve pointed out, rejection on approach isn’t personal, because it’s just rejecting your approach.

“Social skills” is a broad thing. That initial charisma that draws people to you certainly increases the pool from which you can draw friends, but most people I know, even those with crippling social anxiety or whatever, have at least a couple very good friends.

I’ve known many people who practiced the early charisma stuff until they had it down, drew people in, but in the end, aren’t able to be genuine, their mask is a little too solid, and people have trouble connecting with them.

I’d say the most important skill in the world is the presence it takes to let your guard down and experience intimacy. You can do that if you have only one friend in the world, and I think it offers a richer life than hordes of friends if you aren’t comfortable with intimacy.

I guess you can include that under the umbrella of “social skills,” but it seems like a stretch.

I’ve been listening to Pomplamoose’s version of “Nature Boy”, lately, which I love, and especially the message of the lyrics, which, while popularized lately in Moulin Rouge, are almost a hundred years old now: “The greatest thing you’ll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return.”

Nov 17th, 2009 @ 2:47 pm

Todd’s stache is killer


nick
Nov 18th, 2009 @ 2:02 am

“The ability to deal with people is as purchasable a commodity as sugar or coffee and I will pay more for that ability than for any other under the sun.”
-John D. Rockefeller

Nov 18th, 2009 @ 2:14 am

…Monkey Island!! that’s social skill development to the hilt!! …arhhh, that dealing with sour pirates goes a long way…

I have to agree with you Tynan about social development being an ultimate pro to playing “The Game” or practicing “Pick-Up”… your opinion forged of experience confirms that worthy desires and/or achievements require patience and practice which do indeed pay in dividends.

It’s also exhilerating to sharpen those skills by pushing yourself outside your comfort zone even in many situations other than “pick-up”. Which situations impose less risk though? …falling on your face in a business deal due to lack of confidence as a result of not having well developed social skills, or getting rejected by a girl…or, worse in my opinion, the potential to break a girl’s heart who may actually fall in love with this crazy guy :)

hmmm… i’ve been all over all of those… and as fun as Monkey Island can be, nothing will ever beat facing the challenges of conquest in the real world!! So, the real risk is not taking any risk – that is the risk of living a lame life! Ha!

lame social skills = lame lifestyle

In fact, there should be some type of interactive education in school about this even… hey… ureka! what a novel idea…

Nov 20th, 2009 @ 2:28 am

Couldn’t agree more!

Funny enough I just started reading How to Win Friends and Influence People. Brilliant so far. It is pretty old but the way it is written makes it timelessly relevant. I would recommend it to anyone.

Nov 21st, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

With a title like that I ha dot check out the post.

I liked the references to ninja. I reckon if one was good enough one could “social skills” their way out of a confrontation with an angry ninja.

Just a thought.


Kevin C
Nov 23rd, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

Dude, you are awesome. I was completely taken aback by your site. I’ve become jaded over the past two years since I got into the game.

After being bombarded by misleading offers, I came to think of most of the game as a scam. I couldn’t help but get this feeling that Neil Strauss made it public so the community could make money. It sounds a little crazy, but most of this stuff just seemed like pure money making.

You strike me as different.

When a friend asked me where my game was, I realized I had grown socially though. I was content in having increased my knowledge in social dynamics.

I’ve actually decided to make my major in college communications just so I can work on it more. When asked why I always say that people are always going to be talking, it would be best to know what the heck they are saying :).

Thanks for the nomad book, if it’s any good I’ll try and toss you a couple bucks.

Thanks for not being a tool and making me feel like shit.

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